Radisson Hotel, 2040 Airport Dr., Green Bay, WI 54313. 5SS, 40/100, 30/1, SD/30.
** USCF RESULTS **
1st - Alex Betaneli 5 points
2nd/1900 - Derek Sachs, Jerry Zhou 4.5 points
1800 - Troy Zimmermann 4 points
1700 - Ben Roberts 3.5 points
1600 - Bill Schmitt, Shiva Suri, Rodney Draves, Tinglin Shi, Dmitry Myaskovsky 3 points
1500 - Rory Williams, John Campbell, Chris Wainscott 3 points
1400 - Gerald Grignon 3 points
1300 - Ken Rasmussen 2 points
1200 - Joseph Azbel, Filipp Shelobolin, Michael Breuer 2.5 points
Under 1200/Unrated Wendell Williams 3 points
Scenes from Rounds 3, 4 and 5:
36 comments:
The Southwest Chess Club will again be well represented at this great event !!
Anthony Parker won $2,500 at the World Open and became a master. Aaron Jing won about $5,000 and became an expert. Congrats to both.
I'll be there!
I'll Be There.
Mariah Carey
it is too late to get the chess-rate room in the hotel, I have to pay 109$/night, it is not good deal.
The Flyer specifically stated that the rooms were only going to be held until July 4. It is easy to make reservations early, and then just as easy to cancel them if one decides not to attend.
Pre-entries as of July 21:
Betaneli Alex 2302
Ellis James 2204
Jin David 2027
Becker Allen 2010
Jing Aaron 1989
Sachs, D 1928
Wutt Laurence 1928
Elger William 1906
Younkle D 1900
Zhou Jerry 1898
Liptak Lester 1860
Jayne Ryan 1856
Romich J 1843
Thomas Tyler 1839
Zimmerman, T 1835
Nietman Mike 1811
Bogenschutz T1801
Riese K 1800
Oberg John 1792
Coons James 1772
Grochowski R 1746
Hildeman J 1715
Grochowski A 1703
Draves R 1649
Shi Tinglin 1610
Fogec Thomas 1610
Myaskovsky, D 1607
Williams Rory 1585
Delaney Greg 1561
Azbel Gregory 1553
Kosterman D 1548
Daven Jeff 1521
Reinke Robert 1519
Corcoran B 1516
Thomas Ryan 1512
Cunningham P 1507
Dreuth Adam 1492
Velich Gary 1491
Ziehms Stephen 1473
Mariano D J 1464
Rasmussen K 1390
Mattson T 1310
Azbel Joseph 1258
Shelobolin F 1249
Breuer M 1245
Cunningham W 1227
Williams W 1144
Rank Nathan 1115
Karimikonda T 1101
Breuer Ryan 1058
Venkat A 882
Jing Daniel 851
Breuer N 664
Bansal Ashna 441
Mehta Moulik 402
Bansal Dhruv 318
Yan Benjamin 101
Kanzenbach C xxxx
Lee Jinwoo xxxx
Gelhar Robert xxxx
Papadopoulos xxxx
Any early results to report? Is Mariah Carey really there?
Any results??
Betanli - 1st place
Zhou and Sachs = 2nd place
There were other prizes, but have not received that info from Luke.
The USCF rating link is in the main post.
congratulations mr betaneli! dave penkalski eat your heart out!
Dave eat your heart out?? For what? Beating a field of class A players?? Get serious! I have played them both numerous times and no disrespect to Alex as he is an excellent player, but in Dave's prime given a match between them it would have been no contest.
Alex was able to beat 3 Class A players and a Class B & C player. At least Alex didn't have to play against any of the young up coming WI players.
the reason for my posting the two exclammatory sentences was precisely because alex beat 3 A players and a B & C player i was poking fun at his victory and commentary long ago about how only dave penkalski improved via the A player. i guess everyone got the joke
btw i'm now a B+ player having drawn 1 A and beaten 2 Bs and 2 Cs in my last tournament ;;; bowing deeply ;;; although post-rating-wise they were 1 solid A 3 solid Bs and one C-- please don't let my performance distract from the humor you take from my commentary
Not sure when Dave's prime was, but judging from their history of USCF rated games Alex has 1.5-0.5.
Yes, in one or two games anything can happen. What do you think score would be in a match of say 24 games? My prediction: Dave +11, -4, =9
Did you look at the statistics of both players against 2200+ opposition? USCF website provides it all.
Yes, and if you know anything about statistics you would realize that sample size is very important in determining whether the stats are meaningful or significant. Unfortunately Dave since '91 didn't play all that many games against over 2200 level opposition. Let's compare: Dave vs. over 2400: 25%, Alex vs. over 2400: 25.3%, but Dave's sample size is miniscule so even though % is even, sample size makes it irrelevant. Same holds true for games vs. 2300's, Dave has a sample of only 11 games, not statistically reliable. However when it comes to games vs. 2200's Dave's sample size is a little larger so can be trusted to be a little more accurate. Lo and behold: Dave: +16, =8, -2 for a whopping 76.9%. Alex: +82, =50, -34 for a respectable 64.5%. So that we see that when enough of a sample size is available and against equally strong (Master level) competition we see a huge difference in success rate. Next time when you bring up facts know what is meaningful or not.
Interesting point about sample size. So you would trust 26 games more than 11 games. How about collapsing 2200+ games for Dave and Alex into one pool? At any rate, a 12% difference given your sample size is unimpressive. I have not had the pleasure of playing either one of these good players, but it appears than only A and B class players should be terrified of Dave. His 100% against those guys is certainly more impressive than Alex's score.
I am from IL and played Alex, but never heard of Dave. Was he a great players who peaked in the 80's or earlier? For some reason I can't find his name on FIDE list.
Yes, 26 can be trusted more than 11 as a sample size, of course I wish there were more games to go by, I wish he had played hundreds more. And yes, a 12.5% difference against master rated players is EXTREMELY IMPRESSIVE! That correlates to an 8-1 ratio of wins vs. 5-2. That my friend is HUGE at that level. And then you are going to criticize his ratio vs. lower level players?? Why not commend him instead for the mental fortitude to take them seriously and always concentrate no matter who the opponent? Shows a higher degree of mental toughness than most of us will ever have.
There is only one way to settle this, a match between the two of them.
Either that or they each play a match against a B Player and see who does better!
Yeah, this comparison seems theoretical. And I imagine no match is possible since Dave must have retired a long time ago. Comparing a current player who has scored lots of points against titled players vs someone who has a limited sample size of games and no international rating is impossible. Statistically though a +7 prediction is off the charts.
Ah yes, the old Morphy vs. Fischer conundrum. How to compare players at different stages of their careers? Can't be done, we can only appreciate them for what they are at that time. All I know is that I have played them both a number of times and was never afraid to play Alex, in fact I looked forward to the games knowing that I could hold my own; but against Dave I would be terrified and with good reason. There can be no doubt that outside of IM Martz he was Wisconsin's best player ever, and Wisconsin's best tactician bar none.
Ha? Josh Manion doesn't count???
Oh yeah, forgot about him, but then again no one seems jealous of him the way they are of Dave, nor do they denigrate him for beating players he's supposed to beat. And by the way, Dave was better than Josh anyway. Not by much, Dave more naturally talented, Josh better trained and booked.
Let us not forget upcoming Eric Santarious. Perhaps he will turn out to be the best.
Yes, he has a nice flair to his game. Great sense of timing and calculation. not afraid to go for complications.
i don't think it will be long before we have computers that can evaluate the strength of players past and present based on a computer evaluation of their games played. so you enter penkalski's games and then betaneli's games and let the computer decide. perhaps when chessbase 17 comes out it will have this feature
Fischer is much better than Morphy...
I think Gligoric was better than Fischer!
I am sure that Morphy was much better than Gligoric.
Tal and Keres best ever!!
betaneli best ever! even with writer's block or a cramp in his right hand he manages to shine forth as one of the greats in the chess firmament
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